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[cw-discuss] Old version of CXO, even older PC
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brian
2008-11-06 11:05:15 UTC
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Hi folks,

My wife has been watching me using Linux for some while, and has
finally decided to take the plunge and asked me to move her from
Windows 2000.

I dug out my (old, I know!) version of CXO Standard 6.0.1 which I used
for Forte Agent before I moved to Thunderbird, and installed it on her
new Mandriva 2008.1 setup, as she's still a hopeless Agent addict. CXO
installed OK, but the moment I try to install Agent, well, the Agent
installer never gets off the ground, and checking the log file shows
dire warnings about page faults and insufficient resources.

Now, our PCs are OLD kit. Hers is a 500 MHz PIII with 512 MB of
memory. Having said that, the native Linux applications seem to run
OK, if a little slowly - for example, Thunderbird works just fine,
also Open Office 3.0 and Firefox 3.0.

So, anyone got any feelings on this one - am I just trying to push the
box too hard by expecting CXO to work happily on there with Agent? I
didn't install anything more than the minimum on there when I set up
the PC< it's not as if she's got bunches of servers running in the
background - as I said, Thunderbird works quite happily. Before I risk
her wrath in telling her that she's got to switch ): I just thought it
worth asking.

BTW, please, no recommendations for upgrades. 512 MB RAM is all that
PC will take, and the budget doesn't stretch to new PCs. I could just
about persuade her that we needed the latest CXO for Linux *IF* the
problem is an incompatibility between CXO 6.0.1 and Mandriva 2008.1


Brian.
p***@public.gmane.org
2008-11-06 13:38:21 UTC
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I reported earlier that I hadn't had much luck with games using the latest Crossover Games (or Crossover Pro) on my MacBook. I think I can narrow the problem down to any games that go full screen. Games that don't go full screen generally seem to work fine. For example World of Goo Demo, Eets Demo and others, all work fine. Games that go full screen end up with a black screen that shows a blown up still image of the window as it was before it went full screen. I believe the game is still running, you just can't see anything. All of the PopCap games that I've tried do this and so don't work as they don't offer the option of not being full screen. Also the game Audiosurf works OK (not perfect) unless you click the fullscreen button. When you do that you get the noted problem. Unfortunately t
he game is a bit hard to play with a mouse without it being fullscreen as I tend to end up clicking outside of the game area and thus switching applications.

Steve
William Bagwell
2008-11-06 22:14:33 UTC
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Post by brian
Hi folks,
My wife has been watching me using Linux for some while, and has
finally decided to take the plunge and asked me to move her from
Windows 2000.
I dug out my (old, I know!) version of CXO Standard 6.0.1 which I used
for Forte Agent before I moved to Thunderbird, and installed it on her
new Mandriva 2008.1 setup, as she's still a hopeless Agent addict. CXO
installed OK, but the moment I try to install Agent, well, the Agent
installer never gets off the ground, and checking the log file shows
dire warnings about page faults and insufficient resources.
Which version of Agent? 1.x should run on just about any version of Wine
or CXO, later versions of Agent have had minor problems that seem to come
and go. Agent 4.2 ran great on CXO 6.0.0 but crashed on closing with CXO
6.1.0. I never got around to trying 6.0.1.

Clean install, or a reinstall to an existing (moved) Agent? This can make
a difference as well. Not sure how it relates to your problem, just
grasping at straws here.
Post by brian
Now, our PCs are OLD kit. Hers is a 500 MHz PIII with 512 MB of
memory. Having said that, the native Linux applications seem to run
OK, if a little slowly - for example, Thunderbird works just fine,
also Open Office 3.0 and Firefox 3.0.
snip
Hopefully someone from Codeweavers can address this. I don't see any
problem here. We still had a 200 MHz box running Agent up until two years
ago, (Not under CXO...) so I know Agent will still run on something that
slow.
--
William
brian
2008-11-06 23:21:39 UTC
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Post by William Bagwell
Post by brian
Hi folks,
My wife has been watching me using Linux for some while, and has
finally decided to take the plunge and asked me to move her from
Windows 2000.
I dug out my (old, I know!) version of CXO Standard 6.0.1 which I used
for Forte Agent before I moved to Thunderbird, and installed it on her
new Mandriva 2008.1 setup, as she's still a hopeless Agent addict. CXO
installed OK, but the moment I try to install Agent, well, the Agent
installer never gets off the ground, and checking the log file shows
dire warnings about page faults and insufficient resources.
Which version of Agent? 1.x should run on just about any version of Wine
or CXO, later versions of Agent have had minor problems that seem to come
and go. Agent 4.2 ran great on CXO 6.0.0 but crashed on closing with CXO
6.1.0. I never got around to trying 6.0.1.
She's on 3.3. We did try an upgrade to 4.2 *while still on Windows*,
but while the installer appeared to run OK, the resulting installation
generated a crash dump immediately she ran it.
Post by William Bagwell
Clean install, or a reinstall to an existing (moved) Agent?
The latter. I suppose I could try a clean install, but I'm not
confident that the installation has actually proceeded far enough for
there to be a difference.
Post by William Bagwell
This can make
a difference as well. Not sure how it relates to your problem, just
grasping at straws here.
Post by brian
Now, our PCs are OLD kit. Hers is a 500 MHz PIII with 512 MB of
memory. Having said that, the native Linux applications seem to run
OK, if a little slowly - for example, Thunderbird works just fine,
also Open Office 3.0 and Firefox 3.0.
snip
Hopefully someone from Codeweavers can address this. I don't see any
problem here. We still had a 200 MHz box running Agent up until two years
ago, (Not under CXO...) so I know Agent will still run on something that
slow.
Pat's 3.x installation worked just fine under Windows. I did have 4.2
running on this Linux box before I switched to Thunderbird, but this
box has got considerably more oomph than Pat's PC. I suppose I could
always try installing 4.2 over the top of 3.3 under Linux.


Brian.
William Bagwell
2008-11-07 00:48:30 UTC
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Post by brian
Post by William Bagwell
Which version of Agent? 1.x should run on just about any version of
Wine or CXO, later versions of Agent have had minor problems that
seem to come and go. Agent 4.2 ran great on CXO 6.0.0 but crashed on
closing with CXO 6.1.0. I never got around to trying 6.0.1.
She's on 3.3. We did try an upgrade to 4.2 *while still on Windows*,
but while the installer appeared to run OK, the resulting installation
generated a crash dump immediately she ran it.
Ah, not related to the problem I was thinking of. BTW, I just realized you
are a former (Agent) beta tester and we chatted a bit two years ago. You
were there when the build introducing the 'Vista compatible installer'
gave us CXO users fits for that one upgrade. I *think* this issue will
always be present for anyone upgrading an older version to 4.2.
Post by brian
Post by William Bagwell
Clean install, or a reinstall to an existing (moved) Agent?
The latter. I suppose I could try a clean install, but I'm not
confident that the installation has actually proceeded far enough for
there to be a difference.
Your probably correct here but still worth a try. I'm out of ideas since
this is not like any of the problems I have encountered.
--
William
brian
2008-11-07 07:49:23 UTC
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William Bagwell wrote:
| On Thursday 06 November 2008, brian wrote:
|> William Bagwell wrote:
|
|>> Which version of Agent? 1.x should run on just about any version of
|>> Wine or CXO, later versions of Agent have had minor problems that
|>> seem to come and go. Agent 4.2 ran great on CXO 6.0.0 but crashed on
|>> closing with CXO 6.1.0. I never got around to trying 6.0.1.
|> She's on 3.3. We did try an upgrade to 4.2 *while still on Windows*,
|> but while the installer appeared to run OK, the resulting installation
|> generated a crash dump immediately she ran it.
|
| Ah, not related to the problem I was thinking of. BTW, I just
realized you
| are a former (Agent) beta tester and we chatted a bit two years ago.

Yes, I gave up on doing the beta work when Mark told me, slightly more
diplomatically, that it really wasn't worth it as they wouldn't bother
about any problems I found unless one of the Windows users could
reproduce them, and that the dumps were of no value to him.

| You
| were there when the build introducing the 'Vista compatible installer'
| gave us CXO users fits for that one upgrade. I *think* this issue will
| always be present for anyone upgrading an older version to 4.2.
|

I have no recollection of that - either my memory is getting worse
than I think or (I suspect) I was still running Agent under Windows
for beta-testing purposes when that happened.


|>> Clean install, or a reinstall to an existing (moved) Agent?
|> The latter. I suppose I could try a clean install, but I'm not
|> confident that the installation has actually proceeded far enough for
|> there to be a difference.
|
| Your probably correct here but still worth a try. I'm out of ideas
since
| this is not like any of the problems I have encountered.

I'll give things another try over the weekend. If I can find a
solution then I'll post the findings here, but I may have to dig out a
different box for her (Pat is very noise-sensitive, I have a dual
PIII/700 with 1GB of RAM gathering dust, but I'd have to get low-noise
fans for it). That will take a week or so by the time I source the new
fans.


Brian.

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